September Loser Update 2  

New2Midlo 52M  
759 posts
9/13/2021 6:17 pm

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September Loser Update 2


In my last update, I was hopeful that I would be receiving a job offer from a company I really wanted to work for. I'd completed a two and a half hour video interview where I'd put in my finest ever interview performance. And having owned the same product portfolio for this company's biggest competitor, along with possessing twenty years of marketing experience and a track record of significant revenue growth, short of scooping up the person currently doing the job at their largest competitor, there was literally no one else in the country more qualified for the job.

But that didn't stop a rejection email from hitting my inbox today, just the same. Honestly, it wasn't a surprise. I even told my parents it wouldn't happen, over the weekend, because it's me. I have a long, illustrious history of having things I'm deserving of and are most important to me yanked from my grasp. That's not a woe is me comment; it's just how things work for me, despite my veneer of invincibility. Of course, along with being pissed off, my self-esteem has taken the hit from being rejected for who fucking knows what.

So, time to resume full throttle job search activity. I'd been coasting the last couple weeks, due to a misplaced sense of optimism I allowed to creep in.

New2Midlo 52M  
1065 posts
9/13/2021 6:17 pm

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BiggLala 49F  
30157 posts
9/13/2021 7:40 pm

Did you contact them to ask for feedback on why they didn't select you?

I have to say...I'm not fond of the way "we" do things now...even though I'm part of that machine. It's like...ghosting...in dating, but at least you get that standard, auto-generated email, eh?

Still...I'm sorry to hear the news.

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bustinout20202 64F  
1033 posts
9/13/2021 10:12 pm

I'm so sorry to hear that. I agree with LaLa...no harm in asking.

~~~" Someone I loved once gave me a box full of darkness. It took me years to understand that this too, was a gift." --Mary Oliver~~~


New2Midlo 52M  
1065 posts
9/14/2021 10:28 am

    Quoting BiggLala:
    Did you contact them to ask for feedback on why they didn't select you?

    I have to say...I'm not fond of the way "we" do things now...even though I'm part of that machine. It's like...ghosting...in dating, but at least you get that standard, auto-generated email, eh?

    Still...I'm sorry to hear the news.
Below is the email I received. I can assure you it's been crafted by corporate counsel to offer a legally bullet proof reason you were kicked to the curb, regardless of whether it's true. In my experience, having gone through the job search when I wanted to quit consulting, employers won't offer anything further these days. Going off script opens the potential for discrimination lawsuits. Not to mention many companies won't send the 'fuck off' email until the chosen candidate accepts their offer.

They went with someone younger, cheaper, or both.

Thanks for the kind words; it'll all work out. Probably be a dead end job in Minnesota, but it'll work out lol

Dear Loser,

Thank you for taking the time to speak with us regarding the position. We appreciate the opportunity to review your background and experience.

After careful consideration of all interviewed applicants, we have decided to move forward with another candidate whose experience and qualifications are more in line with the position open.

We will keep your application/resume on file in the event an appropriate opportunity arises. We also encourage you to keep an eye on our Careers page.

Again, thank you for your interest in employment opportunities with X

Sincerely,
Human Relations


lindoboy100 59M  
23968 posts
9/14/2021 12:13 pm

When I used to bid for work on a regular basis I'd give all sorts of detail, almost write the job spec' for the client, and then I'd get my hopes up that we'd win the work and I'd be able to keep the guys going for a wee while longer. And then, the fuckers would go with someone else, and I'd find out later that they had used my spec's to get a competitive quote from a n other. I wised up to that, never quoted for any work from those clients again. And we always found plenty of work to keep us going.

I wonder if that's what has happened to you here McMid? They found a gap in their skills base in the process of talking to you, then found someone else to fill the gap?

There's a saying that keeps popping into my mind.......'you can't keep a good man (woman) down!'

Human Relations is a horrible term for that line of work, and if I could get the emojis to work I'd stick my tongue out at the McBiggles!


jajo696 67F
4174 posts
9/14/2021 12:42 pm

Thats a generated form letter. I agree with La and would personally contact one of the interviewers and ask them for how you can improve your presentation. Not asking abt whom they chose, but on how they viewed your qualifications. How one sees themselves and how others view them can be very different. So despite what you felt you were throwing, they werent catching it. Frankly , you are barely out of your 40's, so not at all old.....and the $$.....well an offer, any offer would be warranted IF they liked what they saw in you. Then if they cant match your salary request, thats something tangible. I would dig a bit deeper~~


New2Midlo 52M  
1065 posts
9/14/2021 2:25 pm

    Quoting lindoboy100:
    When I used to bid for work on a regular basis I'd give all sorts of detail, almost write the job spec' for the client, and then I'd get my hopes up that we'd win the work and I'd be able to keep the guys going for a wee while longer. And then, the fuckers would go with someone else, and I'd find out later that they had used my spec's to get a competitive quote from a n other. I wised up to that, never quoted for any work from those clients again. And we always found plenty of work to keep us going.

    I wonder if that's what has happened to you here McMid? They found a gap in their skills base in the process of talking to you, then found someone else to fill the gap?

    There's a saying that keeps popping into my mind.......'you can't keep a good man (woman) down!'

    Human Relations is a horrible term for that line of work, and if I could get the emojis to work I'd stick my tongue out at the McBiggles!
That's why you always include something trivial in the spec that no other vendor can support. "Motorized equipment will be purple in color." Funny you mention bidding out the work you did for them. A large computer company whose name rhymes with Dell did the same thing; more accurately, it was the lead commodity manager. Component manufacturers would work their asses off to provide a custom solution to the aforementioned company's needs and once the design was complete, he'd force you to hand over the manufacturing drawings and send them to Foxconn (you may have heard of their high dive team) for them to quote as well. Even if you manufactured in China, Foxconn would always be less expensive, because they didn't have the overhead of a design team. A boatload of vendors finally told Dell to go screw themselves and wouldn't do any work for them. Management wondered why no vendors would call on the company and canned the guy, when they found out what he was doing.

Thanks for the vote of confidence, although you have no way of knowing whether I am a good man. I'll keep shaking the trees for the right opportunity. Not as though I have much of a choice.


New2Midlo 52M  
1065 posts
9/14/2021 2:35 pm

    Quoting jajo696:
    Thats a generated form letter. I agree with La and would personally contact one of the interviewers and ask them for how you can improve your presentation. Not asking abt whom they chose, but on how they viewed your qualifications. How one sees themselves and how others view them can be very different. So despite what you felt you were throwing, they werent catching it. Frankly , you are barely out of your 40's, so not at all old.....and the $$.....well an offer, any offer would be warranted IF they liked what they saw in you. Then if they cant match your salary request, thats something tangible. I would dig a bit deeper~~
So much of a form letter than the HR person I'd been chatting with (who sent the note) didn't even put her name at the bottom. Again, it's a script generated by counsel to prevent further exploration and law suits.

Companies don't typically make offers on a sliding scale of what they think you're worth, based on the interview process. They knew from the first screening call what my expectations were and the message I received was 'that's doable'.

Because of the constant pressure, I did reach out to the division VP and asked for a quick chat. Keeps shit out of writing so he can speak more freely. Awaiting his response.
Beyond that, I'm not going to waste time on post mortems that won't yield anything worthwhile.


jajo696 67F
4174 posts
9/15/2021 1:10 am

Ahhhhhh.....but post mortems DO produce results. They typically tell us what went wrong.....IF the ears are ready to actively listen. I hope the VP returns your call with some information. Good luck with it all ~


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