Guns Part 137, Breaking Down Biden's Speech  

New2Midlo 52M  
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4/12/2021 6:07 pm

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Guns Part 137, Breaking Down Biden's Speech

Fucking Heated Affairs has fucked my post, as usual plus removed my pictures. It would be one thing if they were all evil guns, but one was a hunk of aluminum to make a point.

Rather than continue to be fucked by the Heated Affairs blog lunacy, from now on, I'll include the link to the entry as posted in my 'real blog' (if it's posted there).
Here's the one to this entry:

Trust ...I don't want to keep writing about guns, but I also can't bear to hear dumb solutions to problems that either don't exist or are already covered by law. That's what came out of Joe's gun speech from last week. That being said, there are some kernels of goodness as well.

First, he acknowledges it's not just the guns, .

"...there are proven strategies that reduce gun violence in urban communities, and there are programs that have demonstrated they can reduce homicides by up to 60% in urban communities. But many of these have been badly underfunded or not funded at all of late."

He also wants to take action against 80% guns. I hate the focus formulated term, 'ghost gun', which he uses to portray them as evil. As I revealed in my previous entries, despite ignorant people claiming to the contrary, guns aren't inherently evil. Back to the speach -

"Much more need to be done, but the first, want to reign in the proliferation of so-called “ghost guns.” These are guns that are homemade, built from a kit that include directions on how to finish the firearm. You can go the kit. They have no serial numbers, so when they show up a crime scene, they can’t be traced. And the buyers aren’t required to pass a background check to buy the kit to make the gun. Consequently, anyone from a criminal to a terrorist can buy this kit and as little as 30 minutes put together a weapon. I want to see these kits treated as firearms the Gun Control Act, which is going to require that the seller and manufacturers make the key parts with serial numbers and run background checks on the buyers when they walk in to buy that package."

Two points on this one. The most important is that the Gun Control Act does not prohibit a person from building their own firearm, so long as it's for personal use , the type is not regulated by the NFA (i.e. machine gun), and the individual isn't otherwise prohibited from owning a gun (i.e. convicted felon). Furthermore, the GCA requires neither the gun to be serialized nor a background check passed. So, I can go into my machine shop and legally create as many guns as I wish, so long as I don't them to anyone else.

Now you're saying that I just proved Joe's point, that these 80% lower receivers should be treated as firearms. Except they're not firearms! These lower receivers are typically missing critical holes or aren't machined the whole way, so they can not be used as a firearm. Furthermore, they aren't kits that you 'put together a weapon'.

Case in point, here are photos of an 80% lower and a completed lower.

Still a lot of work to be done on that first one before it can go bang.

Then, we jump on the downward spiral into stupidity - no holes drilled, features not machined, and so on, until you're left trying to classify the item as a firearm.

Let's not forget 3D Printers, which have become quite affordable and can print guns all . Do we regulate those as well?

Change the damned law so that all finished firearms require serial numbers and the owner to pass a background check. Heavy penalties for those who don't comply. Easy peasy, you anti gun, fuck head.

"Finally, the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, and Firearms, the key agency enforcing gun laws, hasn’t had a permanent director since 20. Today, I’m proud to nominate David Chipman to serve as a director of the AFT. David knows the AFT well."

I think I join many people in wondering what the fuck the AFT is Joe keeps talking about. Old Dave Chipman knows the ATF well and is quite well known for his anti firearm leanings as well as his bullshit claims that the Branch Davidians shot down two helicopters during the Waco seige.

If feeling motivated, I'll add a post on the rest of the speech, because there's a lot of bullshit I didn't get to.

New2Midlo 52M  
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4/12/2021 6:07 pm

Pew pew

elvinpearls 71M

4/12/2021 8:27 pm

Difference between executive action and executive order

pagancountrygirl 64F  
6466 posts
4/12/2021 9:19 pm

I'm still trying to wrap my mind around 3D printed guns...and it's not computing.
I know they're real, but my mind seems to have hit a wall with accepting it. Kits I can understand. As you said, they need to change the laws to require serial numbers and background checks and subject to the same laws as any other conventionally manufactured gun.

Hmmmm....I know I left that wand around here somewhere!

New2Midlo replies on 4/13/2021 10:59 am:
It actually surprised me that guns built for personal use didn't require the same 'stuff' as one you bought from a gun shop etc.

pagancountrygirl 64F  
6466 posts
4/12/2021 9:43 pm

That 3D printing wall I had a problem with? Yeah, it's gone. I did a google search for 3D printed guns and one of the results was for the worlds first 3D printed metal gun by Solid Concepts. Even had a link to watch a video about the printing of the gun and then see it on the target range.

Hmmmm....I know I left that wand around here somewhere!

New2Midlo replies on 4/13/2021 11:01 am:
No surprise I play in a number of gun subreddits and almost every day, someone posts a range test of a 3D printed gun. As a dyed in the wool, gun owner and advocate, even I'm not comfortable with those things being unregulated.

StuntNJ 67M
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4/13/2021 3:56 am

most criminals will not spend the time or the money to go buy a printer, learn how to use it to print a weapon. it is easier to get one off the streets. how many of thoose obama fast and furious guns came back to the US?

New2Midlo replies on 4/13/2021 11:08 am:
Agreed on the 3D printer. Thankfully, most platforms have outlawed posting the files to print guns. But there are an increasing number of completed 80% guns being found at crime scenes, these days. There was a guy in CA cranking out AR-15 lowers at with his mill and selling to whomever wanted them. It was all legal because the customer was the one who pressed the button to begin the machining process.

It's easy to make one without a full machine shop, if you have the jigs.

WyoCowboy7751 68M  
2537 posts
4/13/2021 5:16 am

The First Rule in the ATF Handbook ;
ALCOHOL If You confiscate it , You must Share & Drink it !!
TOBACCO If You confiscate it , You must ALSO Share & Smoke it !!
FIREARMS If You confiscate them , You Must SELL Them On The Street & Place Proceeds in the Department Christmas Fund !! If It is a Large Haul , You may EACH Take One Home & SELL the Remainder On The Street !!

oral4bothU 59M  
953 posts
4/13/2021 3:09 pm

How are you going to make the 'criminals' register & take back ground checks ? All this crap will only effect the law abiding citizen.

New2Midlo replies on 4/13/2021 3:18 pm:
Now, don't go confusing things with only gets in the way.

lindoboy100 59M  
23969 posts
4/14/2021 8:24 am

Restricting access to lethal weapons can surely only have a positive impact? Anything that reduces the number of premature fatalities (or other serious injury) has to be a good thing, no? And if you're a responsible person with no ill or criminal intent, why would you be worried about additional cross-checks? If owning these weapons is so important to you, are those relatively minor hurdles not worth jumping over?

Tried the link by the way, didnae work McMid.

New2Midlo replies on 4/14/2021 6:39 pm:
Link should work now - I think it screwed the pooch because I had the entry open on that site.

Keeping guns out of the hands of those who shouldn't have them is something I've endorsed from the outset. However, 80% guns are not actually guns; they don't go bang because you can't even install a trigger in one until you the additional work. You'll see on my 'real' blog entry. My point is if non-guns are regulated because they can become guns, at what point do we regulate blocks of billet aluminum, because they also can become guns? Make all guns require serial numbers and background checks. Doesn't solve the problem because bad actors will still get guns, regardless of the law, but it at least follows some logic.

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